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Does everyone feel confident Mav will be built-tough and be a reliable vehicle? Ford hasnt had a stellar reliability reputation for decades. I hope its built w/ quality but being a Ford, built in Mexico, and a virgin model with no past history of any kind it’s taking a real leap of faith to invest $26k-30k in ordering one of these intriguing small trucks.
 

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Its not really "all new" since its based on the Ford Escape that's been out since 2020 MY and the Bronco Sport. Reliability may vary with trim though too, for example someone that picked a FWD 6-speed manual 1.6T Jeep Renegade wouldn't have any of the problems that plagued the AWD system, 2.4 Tigershark engine, and 9-speed automatic on the Renegades because they don't even have them and as such were pretty bulletproof. I have a feeling a XT and XLT hybrid will be the most reliable of the bunch being pretty straight forward basic machines.
 

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Does everyone feel confident Mav will be built-tough and be a reliable vehicle? Ford hasnt had a stellar reliability reputation for decades. I hope its built w/ quality but being a Ford, built in Mexico, and a virgin model with no past history of any kind it’s taking a real leap of faith to invest $26k-30k in ordering one of these intriguing small trucks.
Totally understand your feelings about taking a leap of faith on a brand new vehicle. I feel very confident because...I have had Ford throw away cars ('97 Escort, put on 215k miles before giving it to my son). I had a '08 Focus to replace my Escort, which had 317k miles on it when I gave it to my son-in-law in 2020. Other than normal wear and tear items, I replaced an ignition coil. Same fuel pump, water pump, alternator, transmission, starter, engine. I replaced that car with my 2020 Escape Hybrid (virgin model with no past history). 8 months and 21k trouble free miles on that. My manager's husband used his 2006 Explorer partially as part of ski patrol in UT, and drove in downtown Atlanta traffic for a decade. He traded it in with almost 280k miles for a 2019 Explorer. They have traveled cross country several times and racked up a lot of trouble free miles. I know others that love the reliblity of their Fords too. I think that the reputation from the 70s, spotty 80s quality, and meh quality of the early 90s is out the window. All brands have gotten better, so even if Ford is not in the top 10, there has been a lot of improvement since the 80s.
Ford has built hybrids since the early 2000s (the Escape was the first Hybrid SUV in the US). In NYC, they used Ford Escape hybrids as taxi cabs. (check out this article about them being the highest mileage taxis: Autotrader - page unavailable).

Ford also has done million mile testing on platform many times over as it is the basis of the Escape, Bronco Sport, Lincoln Corsair, and Maverick (all 4 in the US), the Focus in Europe, the Kuga (the Escape on other continents), and the Fusion / Mondeo (outside of the US). This platform has been in use since 2019.

Here is the Maverick going through some of it's tough truck testing:
 

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The automation that new manufacturing plants have is amazing. Started in the eighties. Where manufacturers found out....DUH.... when the workers are comfortable making product....the product quality goes way up. Gone are the sweat shop car plants of old. Just go on youtube and see how those autoworkers worked in sweat shop heck. Now even the factories HVAC is filtered to make the best product possible. Yes there are some problems. Alot of it federal Government mandates. it has been that way since the sixties. But in the past few years automakers had just had to deal with CAFE...mostly. Thatis why you see big vehicles with turbo 4's in them. That can be a problem...yet. Time will tell.
 

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Does everyone feel confident Mav will be built-tough and be a reliable vehicle? Ford hasnt had a stellar reliability reputation for decades. I hope its built w/ quality but being a Ford, built in Mexico, and a virgin model with no past history of any kind it’s taking a real leap of faith to invest $26k-30k in ordering one of these intriguing small trucks.
Does everyone feel confident Mav will be built-tough and be a reliable vehicle? Ford hasnt had a stellar reliability reputation for decades. I hope its built w/ quality but being a Ford, built in Mexico, and a virgin model with no past history of any kind it’s taking a real leap of faith to invest $26k-30k in ordering one of these intriguing small trucks.
Foe the most part I think the Maverick will be the best of Escape/Bronco Sport frame. Maverick last to the party. I have watched Ford Mechanics talk about ECOboost engines, on youtube. Look them up. They all say change your engine oil way sooner than the Ford manual says, for ECO Boost engines. It makes sense, because when I worked a Buick dealership in 1977'78 the turbos then required shorter oil change intervals. It's cheap insurance too. Police are still using the Ford LTD. Some have been said to have a million miles. They will go 300,000 with care by owners. So look up Eco boost Escapes and see what the videos say. The base engine.....well fine for urban driving, least to me.
 

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Man I dont know but it's scary looking at youtube at some of these newer cars. They have so much garbage on them to eke out a few percent more fuel mileage. At this point I'd say the environmentalists have pretty much killed gas, only electric cars will be able to exist before long. Like one more round maybe. My goodness.

At the ford I saw on one of the escapes the heater core is $1020+tax plus labor. It's in an assembly with a bunch of other stuff and you cant purchase it separately. This lady the doors got stuck in her heater, she's out so much money for something so minor. You have to pull the dash to get to that assembly and worse, now you have to pull the doors to pull the dash! It looked like a nightmare. Then the same mechanic was showing his 72k F-150 platinum edition. Seemed like another nightmare of possible unreliable parts and crap everywhere for emissions CAFE. He was showing some brake thing that used to cost $60 is now a $2000 assembly, like the heater core must be replaced together.

A weird thing is I cant find ANY videos of youtube of doing basic things like changing the alternator on either the newest gen Ford Rangers or Colorados. Any repair videos always seem to deal with the old models only. Are Cars now just too complicated for anybody to work on? Or are they just so reliable now nothing hardly breaks? With my Dad's help I've always been able to fix most anything short of an engine or Transmission on the cheap in my older models I've owned so far.
 

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Man I dont know but it's scary looking at youtube at some of these newer cars. They have so much garbage on them to eke out a few percent more fuel mileage. At this point I'd say the environmentalists have pretty much killed gas, only electric cars will be able to exist before long. Like one more round maybe. My goodness.

At the ford I saw on one of the escapes the heater core is $1020+tax plus labor. It's in an assembly with a bunch of other stuff and you cant purchase it separately. This lady the doors got stuck in her heater, she's out so much money for something so minor. You have to pull the dash to get to that assembly and worse, now you have to pull the doors to pull the dash! It looked like a nightmare. Then the same mechanic was showing his 72k F-150 platinum edition. Seemed like another nightmare of possible unreliable parts and crap everywhere for emissions CAFE. He was showing some brake thing that used to cost $60 is now a $2000 assembly, like the heater core must be replaced together.

A weird thing is I cant find ANY videos of youtube of doing basic things like changing the alternator on either the newest gen Ford Rangers or Colorados. Any repair videos always seem to deal with the old models only. Are Cars now just too complicated for anybody to work on? Or are they just so reliable now nothing hardly breaks? With my Dad's help I've always been able to fix most anything short of an engine or Transmission on the cheap in my older models I've owned so far.
Man I dont know but it's scary looking at youtube at some of these newer cars. They have so much garbage on them to eke out a few percent more fuel mileage. At this point I'd say the environmentalists have pretty much killed gas, only electric cars will be able to exist before long. Like one more round maybe. My goodness.

At the ford I saw on one of the escapes the heater core is $1020+tax plus labor. It's in an assembly with a bunch of other stuff and you cant purchase it separately. This lady the doors got stuck in her heater, she's out so much money for something so minor. You have to pull the dash to get to that assembly and worse, now you have to pull the doors to pull the dash! It looked like a nightmare. Then the same mechanic was showing his 72k F-150 platinum edition. Seemed like another nightmare of possible unreliable parts and crap everywhere for emissions CAFE. He was showing some brake thing that used to cost $60 is now a $2000 assembly, like the heater core must be replaced together.

A weird thing is I cant find ANY videos of youtube of doing basic things like changing the alternator on either the newest gen Ford Rangers or Colorados. Any repair videos always seem to deal with the old models only. Are Cars now just too complicated for anybody to work on? Or are they just so reliable now nothing hardly breaks? With my Dad's help I've always been able to fix most anything short of an engine or Transmission on the cheap in my older models I've owned so far.
Well actually since the BODII two sarted in 1996 I think...vechicles have continually been relying on electronics to help operate vehicles. All of them. All them basically have modular building. Those parts >>>being throw away of course. You hope that the manufacturer didn't bean count to much on that modular piece of HVAC, per say. The big push for the last ten years is smaller engines and Space Shuttle transmissions. I mean the complexity of the new transmissions is scarey. The Feds need to relax the CAFE standards for a few years until the manufacturers get the tech down. I remember the seventies.....It took FORD to start the turn things around in 1982 with the Mustang GT! (hatchback) I think 185 hp 5.0, if I remember. I think that Fox body weighed 33 hundred pounds? Notchback. They are (notchbacks) are sought after for now, I want one. I can remember the splash when computers showed up on vehicles LIKE wow we are in the twenty first century...lol Sorry for so long... I don't think you really want to work on the these vehicles....let the dealerships do it. Go shop aroound for extended warranty...there you go. I own a '70 Montego 351-C. Driver. They ain't no stinkin PC in dat car. LOL Now my 2018 Challenger I personally had the hood open twice. dealer does it all. Hey eberybody... remember when headlights cost $ 1.98 and they were glass? You needed phillips to cahnge out. Now its tear the freakin entire frontend off to replace that modular Headlight!!!
 

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Totally understand your feelings about taking a leap of faith on a brand new vehicle. I feel very confident because...I have had Ford throw away cars ('97 Escort, put on 215k miles before giving it to my son). I had a '08 Focus to replace my Escort, which had 317k miles on it when I gave it to my son-in-law in 2020. Other than normal wear and tear items, I replaced an ignition coil. Same fuel pump, water pump, alternator, transmission, starter, engine. I replaced that car with my 2020 Escape Hybrid (virgin model with no past history). 8 months and 21k trouble free miles on that. My manager's husband used his 2006 Explorer partially as part of ski patrol in UT, and drove in downtown Atlanta traffic for a decade. He traded it in with almost 280k miles for a 2019 Explorer. They have traveled cross country several times and racked up a lot of trouble free miles. I know others that love the reliblity of their Fords too. I think that the reputation from the 70s, spotty 80s quality, and meh quality of the early 90s is out the window. All brands have gotten better, so even if Ford is not in the top 10, there has been a lot of improvement since the 80s.
Ford has built hybrids since the early 2000s (the Escape was the first Hybrid SUV in the US). In NYC, they used Ford Escape hybrids as taxi cabs. (check out this article about them being the highest mileage taxis: Autotrader - page unavailable).

Ford also has done million mile testing on platform many times over as it is the basis of the Escape, Bronco Sport, Lincoln Corsair, and Maverick (all 4 in the US), the Focus in Europe, the Kuga (the Escape on other continents), and the Fusion / Mondeo (outside of the US). This platform has been in use since 2019.

Here is the Maverick going through some of it's tough truck testing:
Looking at that video for testing the Maverick . I noticed in all the test that the drivers are wearing mask . This is telling me that the test are very recent .
So I guess its tough truck testing is nothing more the a false positive ! So let get those FX4 stickers out and stick’em on Ford . And send me two so I can slap them on any base model that could surely pass the same test .
 

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that eco engine architecture has been out for years, as has the transmission. the sync isn't new. wiring and electronics have come a looong way, so what does that leave to really be concerned about.
it;s STILL a new trucklet that we do not know exactly all of its systems an how they were built and just how it all comes together. For example , Ford has NOW begun to build the e-cvt in house and this is the one in Mav hybrid.
 

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I’ve had 4 fords since 2002
2001 Ford Focus- kept 8 yrs
2002 Ford Expedition, still have it. 174k miles and going. Keeping it till the wheels fall off.
2008 Ford ranger-son totaled in 2016, otherwise would still have.
2013 Ford Focus, deadly transmission issue with that year, kept till 2017.
*2022 Ford maverick TDB

the 2013 focus was the only lemon of the bunch and Ford eventually learned it’s lesson. The rest have been very reliable. If the raider wouldn’t have been totaled, would not be getting the maverick.
 

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it;s STILL a new trucklet that we do not know exactly all of its systems an how they were built and just how it all comes together. For example , Ford has NOW begun to build the e-cvt in house and this is the one in Mav hybrid.
Some of us still remember when VW shut down production in Mexico because the Beatle and Jetta were coming off the assembly line way below standard, while the same cars with the same parts built in Germany were above average. Humm!!!
 

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that eco engine architecture has been out for years, as has the transmission. the sync isn't new. wiring and electronics have come a looong way, so what does that leave to really be concerned about.
It leaves the hybrid engine with CVC trans - I still shudder (no pun intended) when thinking about all of the focus/fiesta owners that were abandoned by ford and the dealer network during the cvc fiasco years
 

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Focus/Fiesta Powershift was Dual Clutch Transmission, not (Electric) Continuously Variable Transmission like the hybrid Fords. There were some issues with the early HF35s but Ford was more on top of repairing those under recall.
 

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It leaves the hybrid engine with CVC trans - I still shudder (no pun intended) when thinking about all of the focus/fiesta owners that were abandoned by ford and the dealer network during the cvc fiasco years

That's what makes me nervous, class action law suit all the way there.
 

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It leaves the hybrid engine with CVC trans - I still shudder (no pun intended) when thinking about all of the focus/fiesta owners that were abandoned by ford and the dealer network during the cvc fiasco years
As stated multiple times, the Maverick is an ECVT. Much different than a CVT. Also, the focus/fiesta transmissions with problems weren’t even CVTs. They were dual clutch.
 

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Powershift was Dual Clutch Transmission, not (Electric) Continuously Variable Transmission like the hybrid Fords. There were some issues with the early HF35s but Ford was more on top of repairing those under recall.
They were totally not on top of anything - 1st they defined there was a problem, then eventually they replaced transmissions with the same defective transmission as oem. It took literally years of class action lawsuit to motivate the company properly.

this is really my biggest hesitation, even though I would not get the hybrid version anyway - atrocious corporate behavoir - they rushed the transmission into production even though they knew there were plenty of significant issues - criminal negligence & fraud. Research my friends .
 
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