6 for hybrid and 5 for EcoBoost so far. It's much closer than I thought so far.
Way better fuel economy, 87 vs 91 octane recommended, electric torque off the line with a smooth transmission that makes the most of the available horsepower (see below), better stop/start performance, quite a bit of savings up front, and long term the hybrid uses a naturally aspirated port injected engine that is tuned to never even go all the way up to redline so should last forever whereas the 2.0T ecoboost is not only going to have more frequent oil and spark plug changes and the like but being direct injection turbo is bound to eventually have the unavoidable carbon buildup on the valves requiring a tedious walnut blasting if you end up keeping the vehicle 100K+ miles.Surprised how popular the hybrid is! I guess especially at this price point thought that many are buying strictly for the gas savings. I went 2.0t ecoboost to make it fun to drive around town and because I mod every car I buy![]()
I'm not sure I see the increased tq off the line with the hybrid motor in this graph. The ecoboost is always ahead. Although, I am curious as to the figures Ford gave for the electric motor. It added HP to the total but no torque? I've had a prius before and while slow, the initial get up and go was surprising. I cant imaging the tq figures staying at 150lbsWay better fuel economy, 87 vs 91 octane recommended, electric torque off the line with a smooth transmission that makes the most of the available horsepower (see below), better stop/start performance, quite a bit of savings up front, and long term the hybrid uses a naturally aspirated port injected engine that is tuned to never even go all the way up to redline so should last forever whereas the 2.0T ecoboost is not only going to have more frequent oil and spark plug changes and the like but being direct injection turbo is bound to eventually have the unavoidable carbon buildup on the valves requiring a tedious walnut blasting if you end up keeping the vehicle 100K+ miles.
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So while the 2.0T will be more capable and certainly more fun, from a pure practicality standpoint the hybrid is a no-brainer.
The fact that it's the cheapest hybrid and it's a truck to boot is really appealing. Especailly when the nearest hybrids for that price are the Honda Insight, Hyundai Elantra Hybrid, and Toyota Corolla Hybrid.Surprised how popular the hybrid is! I guess especially at this price point thought that many are buying strictly for the gas savings. I went 2.0t ecoboost to make it fun to drive around town and because I mod every car I buy![]()
I'm not sure I see the increased tq off the line with the hybrid motor in this graph. The ecoboost is always ahead. Although, I am curious as to the figures Ford gave for the electric motor. It added HP to the total but no torque? I've had a prius before and while slow, the initial get up and go was surprising. I cant imaging the tq figures staying at 150lbs
True, I guess I should elaborate when I say "electric torque off the line", I'm not really referring to peak torque but how it behaves instantly and effortlessly. So using stop/start for example, when you see a break in traffic sitting at a stop sign with through traffic on your left, with a hybrid that has a 125hp electric motor that should be plenty of pep to instantly start rolling and get going. With a small turbocharged engine, there's usually an instant to fire up the ICE and if you aren't in sport mode or flooring it so the vehicle knows to give it the beans, there can be a bit of hesitation before it produces full boost and the experience can be less than ideal.I'm not sure I see the increased tq off the line with the hybrid motor in this graph. The ecoboost is always ahead. Although, I am curious as to the figures Ford gave for the electric motor. It added HP to the total but no torque? I've had a prius before and while slow, the initial get up and go was surprising. I cant imaging the tq figures staying at 150lbs
Ah that makes sense, thank you! Yea I am very curious to see how they implement it.True, I guess I should elaborate when I say "electric torque off the line", I'm not really referring to peak torque but how it behaves instantly and effortlessly. So using stop/start for example, when you see a break in traffic sitting at a stop sign with through traffic on your left, with a hybrid that has a 125hp electric motor that should be plenty of pep to instantly start rolling and get going. With a small turbocharged engine, there's usually an instant to fire up the ICE and if you aren't in sport mode or flooring it so the vehicle knows to give it the beans, there can be a bit of hesitation before it produces full boost and the experience can be less than ideal.
Regarding peak numbers, I have a feeling that this is heavily ECU limited on the hybrid. BMW learned the hard way back in the day that too much torque from the electric motors literally sheered bolts over time and causes a lot of fatigue. Being FWD with likely a pretty soft suspension, there are probably traction issues too, but it should feel very smooth and linear.
Here's the Escape w/ the 2.5L hybrid engine to show how it does in that scenario (should be very similar, as in this trim its 3700lbs same as the Maverick):
That's what I read as well, and the changes are more about futureproofing than really making a difference in this particular implementation.I believe the major change with the hybrid drivetrain that's "new" is they changed the construction of the rotor assembly. Otherwise I suspect the HF45 isn't much different from the HF35 Ford has been building in-house for a few years evolved from their Aisin produced hybrid transaxles before that.
Such an excellent post here !!! I'm very interested in placing an order for this truck and this was the EXACT thing I was debating while researching these 2 engine choices separately online. The carbon build up is a concern. I'm in for a reliable lost maintenance cost power plant for the long haul!Way better fuel economy, 87 vs 91 octane recommended, electric torque off the line with a smooth transmission that makes the most of the available horsepower (see below), better stop/start performance, quite a bit of savings up front, and long term the hybrid uses a naturally aspirated port injected engine that is tuned to never even go all the way up to redline so should last forever whereas the 2.0T ecoboost is not only going to have more frequent oil and spark plug changes and the like but being direct injection turbo is bound to eventually have the unavoidable carbon buildup on the valves requiring a tedious walnut blasting if you end up keeping the vehicle 100K+ miles.
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So while the 2.0T will be more capable and certainly more fun, from a pure practicality standpoint the hybrid is a no-brainer.